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Xin Liu paper finds 52.6% of untied gated checkpoints have near-zero embeddings

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Xin Liu paper finds 52.6% of untied gated checkpoints have near-zero embeddings

3 Key Points

  1. What happened

    Xin Liu and co-authors surveyed 291 open-weight LLM repositories and found 20 of 38 untied gated and hybrid checkpoints (52.6%) contain input embeddings with norms below 10−6; zero weight-tied models were affected.

  2. Why it matters

    For anyone fine-tuning affected architectures, roughly one-fifth of gradient updates may be silently discarded with no warning, so auditing embedding norm distributions before continued pretraining is warranted.

WHO IT HITSEngineers and researchers fine-tuning untied gated or hybrid open-weight models on new languages or domains may be losing roughly one-fifth of training updates without any error being raised.

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Context & Analysis

The finding stems from a survey of 291 open-weight LLM repositories, covering 280 distinct embedding tables. Among the 38 untied gated and hybrid checkpoints, 20 carried input embeddings with norms below 10−6, while weight-tied models were unaffected. This prevalence suggests that the defect is not an isolated case but a recurring pattern across checkpoints of these architectures. The mechanism is that near-zero token embeddings amplify backward gradients by more than 30 orders of magnitude, with individual entries exceeding 1.84 × 1019, leading gradient clipping to overflow and discard updates silently. In a Telugu continual pretraining run of Nemotron-3-Nano-4B, updates were discarded on approximately 20% of training steps, illustrating the practical impact. The authors propose two fixes, GroupClip and GateFloor, which in experiments up to 370 million parameters reduced problematic gradients by 28 orders of magnitude while maintaining perplexity comparable to the unpatched baseline. These results point to a straightforward mitigation path, though the prevalence figure underscores the value of auditing embedding norms before any continued pretraining on these architectures.

FAQ
What exactly is the defect?
Input embeddings with norms below 10−6 amplify backward gradients by up to 35 orders of magnitude, causing gradient clipping to overflow and discard updates without raising an error.
Which architectures are confirmed affected?
Mamba, Gated DeltaNet, and xLSTM are confirmed affected, while zero weight-tied models showed the issue.
What fixes are proposed?
GroupClip uses 64-bit or rescaled norms for embedding gradient clipping, and GateFloor adds an offset δ ∈ [0.01, 0.1] to gate functions.
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